x10s for recurrve.

darrenc

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X10s for my recurve, yes or no, if not why/. I currently have 43lbs on me fingers. Any advice for pile weight and fletchings would be appreciated.
 

Mark31121

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Assuming that you have a draw length long enough to take them (they can only be trimmed so much), that you're experienced enough to tune them etc and you can afford them then I don't see why not.

They're a really good arrow, the downside is the price and while they're stronger than ACE's they're more prone to damage than a parallel shaft like the ACG or Cartel Triple. If you mostly shoot into straw then that would be a major consideration in my experience.

For pile weight there is a recommendation on the Easton website (personally I see this as the minimum as I prefer a heavier point). I would go for tungsten points, they're pricey but they'll last for a few sets of shafts and reduce the risk of the shaft splitting on a hard target.

For fletchings then that's another can of worms, I've tried spin wings (not a fan, I find they damage too easily) and Eli Vanes (I like them) and I've recently bought some XS wings to try as they're supposed to be even more robust
 

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For pile weight there is a recommendation on the Easton website (personally I see this as the minimum as I prefer a heavier point). I would go for tungsten points, they're pricey but they'll last for a few sets of shafts and reduce the risk of the shaft splitting on a hard target.
The point weight recommendations are for good FOC. Tungsten if you're shooting in straw, if you only shoot into foam stainless steel is fine (and much friendlier to the wallet)
 

Mark31121

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I think good FOC is a bit subjective, it's just a personal preference that I go will a heavier point.

I've had one split on a foam target - admittedly it was a brand new target so a bit hard and it was indoors (tuning) so at full speed. These were with over-long arrows though so the carbon by point was really thin with the barreling. In the end I managed to trim that one down.

If you're going to do competitions etc you don't always know what the targets are going to be (or if you get the occasional one in the wood) and having an alternative set of arrows that tune with the same setup isn't always possible, especially for recurve.

I have known someone shoot into straw indoors using steel points and she didn't have any problems for a whole season at least, I haven't asked since.
 

backinblack

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You don't state what length your current arrows are. If you're an orangutan you might find the extra weight of the X10 kills your sight marks, otherwise everything said above is valid.
 

backinblack

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So if I put your stats in to Archer's Advantage, it suggests a 500 spine X10 as being a fraction weak but which is a little closer to optimal than the 450 which is further on the stiff side. The program says that with a 100 grain point you are getting 12.8% FOC whereas a 120 grain point gets you 14.8% (this presumes you use spin wings and insert nocks and no wraps).

On this basis, I would tend towards the 120 grain point and given that, it suggests the whole arrow will weigh 367 grains. The 450 weighs in at 376 grains with the same point weight. This won't be 100% accurate but gives an idea.

What are you shooting at the moment?
 

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I made het move over to X10's rather than ACE's over the summer. I wasn't totally sure what spine I wanted so managed to pick up 11 second hand shafts from one of the GB cadets in the right length and spine.
positives - They definitely perform better in wind than the ACE's
negatives - They are heavy and my sight marks at 90m have gone through the floor. With the ACE I can leave my sight at position two on the extension arm and about 8 on the height scale, with the X10's on the same bow, I have to pull the extension arm in to 6 and the height scale down to about 8.5. (30" arrow length, 42# OTF, Uukha VX1000 (fast) limbs)

I made mine up with stainless steel points and XS wings and not had any issues with either, I cant justify the cost of tungstens for very little gain.

One thing to bear in mind when ordering shafts, the SS points are very long, tungstens are short, so if you want to keep a set nock to end of point difference you need to take into account what points you will be using when you get the shafts cut.
POint weight I went wit heh Easton recommendation, for me they are the experts so cant see a reason to deviate from that at my level of shooting.
 

darrenc

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Just as i thought gents thanks, looks like i have had my leg lifted. I am shooting x10s but it seems they are too weak for my poundage at 43lb. Spine i was sold are 550s???
 
I pull 43lbs on my fingers on a Hoyt HPX but my draw length is shorter so my X10 500 arrows are 28 3/4? long when using 120 grain tungsten points. I tried 550?s and they were too whippy so went for the 500?s and they are slightly too stiff on a bare shaft tune. I would think that 550?s at 30? would be too whippy in your case. Some people trim from the nock end and this will stiffen them up more than from the front but that?s a black art and not for the feint hearted.
Don?t think of an X10 as a smaller version of an ACE. Whereas the ACE will respond quite well to point weight changes regarding tuning the X10 has to be in the ballpark as changing point weight doesn?t alter tune as much.
 

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I’m in almost exactly your position: trying to figure out the right X10s for a 43# (OTF) w/29.5” (excl. point).
I know the Easton chart says 500 spine or so. But I have ACE test arrows of all spines 520-720 in sets of four (two fletched, two unfletched). I fitted these with 120grn points to the 570s, 620s and 670s and tried them at 40y. The answer was 620s and 670s were closest grouped, 570s were way apart. So the best ACE spine looks like 650.
This was not a surprise, as I’d had a dialogue with Timid Toad elsewhere on this forum which concluded that practical tests are a lot better than spine charts - and because my other bow, at 39# OTF, is best tuned with 670s w/100grn points - which is miles off the Easton chart reccomendation for 39# (in fact I can even tune-in the 43# bow to group the ACE 670/100grn tight at 40y but the button has to be very hard, about 8N. In other words, it’s possible to use 670/100grn arrows all the way from 36# to 43# just by increasing button pressure from close to min to almost max - but that’s another story).
So... though the Easton chart says X10 500, I’m pretty sure the right answer is X10 650s (or maybe 600 at a push, given that 650s come in 29” max).
 

Senlac

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I?m in almost exactly your position: trying to figure out the right X10s for a 43# (OTF) w/29.5? (excl. point).
I know the Easton chart says 500 spine or so. But I have ACE test arrows of all spines 520-720 in sets of four (two fletched, two unfletched). I fitted these with 120grn points to the 570s, 620s and 670s and tried them at 40y. The answer was 620s and 670s were closest grouped, 570s were way apart. So the best ACE spine looks like 650.
This was not a surprise, as I?d had a dialogue with Timid Toad elsewhere on this forum which concluded that practical tests are a lot better than spine charts - and because my other bow, at 39# OTF, is best tuned with 670s w/100grn points - which is miles off the Easton chart reccomendation for 39# (in fact I can even tune-in the 43# bow to group the ACE 670/100grn tight at 40y but the button has to be very hard, about 8N. In other words, it?s possible to use 670/100grn arrows all the way from 36# to 43# just by increasing button pressure from close to min to almost max - but that?s another story).
So... though the Easton chart says X10 500, I?m pretty sure the right answer is X10 650s (or maybe 600 at a push, given that 650s come in 29? max).
 
Belore I changed to X10?s I used ACE 520(120 grain points)or 570?s( 100 grain points) so I would say 650?s would be very whippy at 30? draw. Common sense says they will be whippier as they are longer but nothing is better than empirical testing.
 

darrenc

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I had a feeling something was wrong so i took them back. they were impacting bare shaft well right with 100g points but I was reassured they were ok with a button tune, OK. Had a howler 18 months thinking it was me as I was returning after a 3 year break. This year I have wound my bow back to 38lb for indoors and have got on with a good coach and taken his advice. Out of curiosity I stripped a couple of shafts and tested them indoors and bingo got them grouping with very little if any variation of the tune line on target. My old ACEs were 520 with 120 and had no issue with them. Looking back I should have gone with that as a guide.
 
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