Cartel Triple ACE spine equivalent

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rgsphoto

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I have decided to take the plunge and buy some Cartel triples for my soon to be Hoyt Ultratech. It will be shot with a draw length of about 27.5 to 28" and arrow length of 28" @58lb. The nearest ACE would be a 470, what is the equivalent triple I need to buy?
 

Marcus26

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Yep, and I would ignore it.
We found in testing (with a few 1340+ shooters) that at 28" 500's did not group well over 52#.
Once we started changing to 400's and 300's the groups were vastly improved, plus drift was less.
I use to shoot 300's at 28" 60# with a UltraElite XT3000 Spiral
My wife shot 400's at 26" 60# With an Ultratec XT3000 Spiral

Rednock on Saggi posted this from Archers Advantage. Don't know how accurate it is.

Arrow Spine
300 394
400 435
500 504
600 525
700 601
800 664
900 742
1000 841
1100 970
 

GeoffT

Active member
Ironman
Marcus26 said:
Yep, and I would ignore it.
We found in testing (with a few 1340+ shooters) that at 28" 500's did not group well over 52#.
Once we started changing to 400's and 300's the groups were vastly improved, plus drift was less.
I use to shoot 300's at 28" 60# with a UltraElite XT3000 Spiral
My wife shot 400's at 26" 60# With an Ultratec XT3000 Spiral

Rednock on Saggi posted this from Archers Advantage. Don't know how accurate it is.

Arrow Spine
300 394
400 435
500 504
600 525
700 601
800 664
900 742
1000 841
1100 970
Marcus,

I am curently shooting (outdoor setup) 29" 500 triples from my Bowtech Old Glory, binary cams at about 54lbs. I am hovering around the 1300 mark. I guess from what you are saying I sould try some 400s or even 300s. I could shorten them to 28" and still be comfortable on the arrow rest.
 

Marcus26

Well-known member
I would try some 400's at that poundage for sure. I jumped from 1280-1300 up to 1330-1340 after changing from 540 Navs to 300 Triples.
I coach a Cadet archer who shoots 400's at 28" 56# and a few weeks ago he shot a 1332 Mens with a 326 at 90m.
The stiffer spines work.
 

GeoffT

Active member
Ironman
Marcus26 said:
I would try some 400's at that poundage for sure. I jumped from 1280-1300 up to 1330-1340 after changing from 540 Navs to 300 Triples.
I coach a Cadet archer who shoots 400's at 28" 56# and a few weeks ago he shot a 1332 Mens with a 326 at 90m.
The stiffer spines work.
Thanks Marcus, I'll give that a try I have some 400s that I shoot out of my recurve .
 

Rik

Supporter
Supporter
I dug out Limbwalker's take on the Triple spines from that same thread on the Saggi board:
Limbwalker said:
Anyway, here's what I got on the Triples tonight...

Triple series#......Easton spine
300.....................420" (420)
400.....................540 (540)


700.....................680 (680)
800.....................735 (735)
900.....................840 (840)
1000...................900 (900)

I didn't have access to the 500 and 600 series, and the 1100 and 1200 series were too short (under 28") to test on my spine tester!

Please keep in mind these are static spine measurements from a select group of Cartel triple shafts that were purchased by the dealer approx. 1 year ago. I have no way to know if the current batches of Cartel's will spine the same, or if the dynamic spines will reflect the static measurements.

Again, I am surprised to see the 300 and 400 series so far apart...
Which is a bit different to the Archer's Advantage figures...
 
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rgsphoto

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Rik said:
I dug out Limbwalker's take on the Triple spines from that same thread on the Saggi board:
Which is a bit different to the Archer's Advantage figures...
From the look of that chart Rik the 300 triple seems the best bet for me. At least too stiff is better than too weak with a compound.
 

Field Archer

Well-known member
I?ve just had a look at Archers Advantage. They have updated their data for triples since the Saggi post.

Shaft - Spine
300 ? 424
400 ? 525
500 ? 554
600 ? 623
700 ? 665
800 ? 798
 
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GeoffT

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Ironman
Field Archer said:
I?ve just had a look at Archers Advantage. They have updated their data for triples since the Saggi post.

Shaft - Spine
300 ? 424
400 ? 525
500 ? 524
600 ? 623
700 ? 665
800 ? 798
Field, have you typed that correctly.....400s whippier that 500s ?
 
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rgsphoto

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Field Archer said:
I?ve just had a look at Archers Advantage. They have updated their data for triples since the Saggi post.

Shaft - Spine
300 ? 424
400 ? 525
500 ? 524
600 ? 623
700 ? 665
800 ? 798
I filled out an enquiry form for my bow on the Alternative archery site. 58lb 28" compound. they sent back 500 triples. Oh dear. Not quite right then. I will be buying 300's.
 

Field Archer

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I've tried to edit my original post, but it's timing out.
Here is the amended specs from Archers Advantage for the Cartel triples.

Shaft - Spine
300 ? 424
400 ? 525
500 ? 554
600 ? 623
700 ? 665
800 ? 798

CA bit closer to what Limbwalker found when he tested his selection.
 

Rik

Supporter
Supporter
Field Archer said:
I've tried to edit my original post, but it's timing out.
Here is the amended specs from Archers Advantage for the Cartel triples.

Shaft - Spine
300 ? 424
400 ? 525
500 ? 554
600 ? 623
700 ? 665
800 ? 798

CA bit closer to what Limbwalker found when he tested his selection.
It still makes it a bit of a lottery, though...
At least it's not too expensive to buy a few triples and try them out.
 

bowman104

New member
Go with the 400 & 100gns for the points. I am shooting these out of a 58lbs bow - 29" arrow with no probs.:arc:
 
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rgsphoto

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bowman104 said:
Go with the 400 & 100gns for the points. I am shooting these out of a 58lbs bow - 29" arrow with no probs.:arc:
Hi Bowman,

Thanks for the tip. How do you quantify "no problems"? How do you know?. I'm not being rude but have you tried a 300 triple as a comparison? It seems to me if the 400's are an equivalent spine of 525, they are on the weak side, especially at 29" long. Yes they will fly OK, but a stiffer 430 ( 400 triple) should be better and give you an even better score. Weight wise there is only 10gn's between each complete arrow. I see no advantage in risking a weak spine.

Cheers anyway

Rich
 

Marcus26

Well-known member
With a compound bow dropping the point weight is simply throwing away points on your scorecard. It won't affect the spine of the arrow and makes your arrows drift in the wind more. (so no upside to dropping point weight but LOTS of downside)

I do welcome anyone shooting against me to do this as it certainly makes my competition easier.
 

Barry C

New member
Rik said:
I dug out Limbwalker's take on the Triple spines from that same thread on the Saggi board:
Which is a bit different to the Archer's Advantage figures...
Limbwalkers data seems a better match at least when I shot Triple 400s that tuned similar to my 520/570 ACE's on my 43# recurve.
 

bowman104

New member
rgsphoto said:
Hi Bowman,

Thanks for the tip. How do you quantify "no problems"? How do you know?. I'm not being rude but have you tried a 300 triple as a comparison? It seems to me if the 400's are an equivalent spine of 525, they are on the weak side, especially at 29" long. Yes they will fly OK, but a stiffer 430 ( 400 triple) should be better and give you an even better score. Weight wise there is only 10gn's between each complete arrow. I see no advantage in risking a weak spine.

Cheers anyway

Rich
When I 1st tried out the triple I had a chance to try out a set of 500 and 400. The 500 grouped up to about 60yds then started dropping out of the gold. The 400`s stayed in the gold all the way up to 100yds. In a ideal world where I have lots of money to play with then yes i would love to try the 300`s but i think my wife would kill me if i spent any more money on archery!!
How are you getting on with your arrows? Now I am shooting these I have won at my County Champs and have shot a 1200 York if I get a chance (and she lets me out for the day!) I will try a FITA this year.
 

pwiles1968

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Marcus26 said:
I would try some 400's at that poundage for sure. I jumped from 1280-1300 up to 1330-1340 after changing from 540 Navs to 300 Triples.
I coach a Cadet archer who shoots 400's at 28" 56# and a few weeks ago he shot a 1332 Mens with a 326 at 90m.
The stiffer spines work.
I am looking at Triples for my next set of arrows and need advice on the Spine, I will be looking at 26" arrows and will be pushing 55-60#, the spine selection charts say I can use 600 Spine up to 65#, reading this thread I am tempted to go to 500 spine. Can someone please give me some direction, will I be OK with 600 or will 500 be better.
 
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