Compound Bow string stop/suppressor

bear-outbreak

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I was just shooting in the garden and as i released the string my string stop/suppressor snapped off where it meets the bow, literally right through the metal. Somehow I still managed to make a good shot!

i suppose it must have weakened gradually over the years from the hits/vibrations. the bow is a 2013 bear outbreak which i got in 2014 and have'nt used it that much. it was a bit cold outside which may have made it brittle but it wasn't freezing or anything.

Has this happened to anyone else? do i need it? if if so how can i fix it?

There is still metal in the hole which i'm not sure i could get out.
Cheers

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Corax67

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On the Hoyt I use this bar is threaded and screws in so hopefully yours does too.

You will need to carefully drill into the centre of the stub remaining in the riser then use an appropriately sized stud extractor to withdraw it. Care & patience will see you through.




Karl
 

bear-outbreak

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Yes mine is screw in luckily so will give that a go at some point, but it is fine to shoot without it correct? i have been doing so and it seems fine.
 

Corax67

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No idea - I tend to work on the basis that if something is fitted then it's there for a reason so I would rather not shoot the bow until I had replaced the broken part.




Karl
 

geoffretired

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Some compounds shoot very nicely with or without a string stopper. Others are a bit inclined to kick about if the stopper is removed. I've had bows from both groups. If yours is fine without, shoot it without. If you feel you want to replace it, the stub needs to come out.
 

KidCurry

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Some compounds shoot very nicely with or without a string stopper. Others are a bit inclined to kick about if the stopper is removed. I've had bows from both groups. If yours is fine without, shoot it without. If you feel you want to replace it, the stub needs to come out.
I agree with Geoff. My PSE Supra shoots perfectly without its string stop except, because, like many compound archers, I shoot without a bracer, it my twang my arm slightly due to the extended string travel.
 
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Deleted member 7654

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Errr, c'mon guys.
You have to look at the mechanics and try to work out exactly what will be happening without the string stopper and at least make an informed decision.
In my youth me and some lads drove a car back home with one tyre missing.... it worked fine, but it doesn't mean it was a good idea.
Shooting without it could create problems further down the line, after all if there is enough force to break it, then that force may be enough to do other damage elsewhere.
How about contacting the manufacturer?
Del
 
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Duplicate despite trying to go advanced...
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bimble

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Errr, c'mon guys.
You have to look at the mechanics and try to work out exactly what will be happening without the string stopper and at least make an informed decision.
The main reasons for string stoppers are: 1) to make the bow quieter, 2) to help prevent the string tickling your arm with short brace height bows.

Certainly, most target bows that come with them as standard end up being shot with them removed, because the rubber wears, which causes variation. I think Liam Grimwood did a test in an edition of Bow International where he spent a week shooting 720's, some with, some without. At the end of the week, the rounds without finished with a higher average (though only by a handful of points).

The bar could have snapped simply because it's been placed too close to the string, so it's getting a much heavier hit than otherwise (or if the bracing height has changed because the string has stretched).

And I only looked in to this thread to see how you were going to suggest shooting longbow would have been a solution to the problem! Apart from the fact that they obviously don't use string suppressors!
 

geoffretired

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I think the bar could have been damaged by some accident,someone may have pressed the bow with it on and ended up with the cable on the wrong side when the press was being removed. Bending the cables round the bar could have weakened it or bent it. Straightening afterwards could be just the thing to weaken it so it soon cracks.
 

KidCurry

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Errr, c'mon guys.
You have to look at the mechanics and try to work out exactly what will be happening without the string stopper and at least make an informed decision.
Del
It is an informed response... simply as far as a forum is concerned. I've been shooting compounds with and without suppression for 30 years. If you want the manufactures advice then the forum is not the place to ask questions.
 
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Just to clarify.
I wasn't trying to be a smart 4rse.
The various explanations so far seem to indicate that the bar is merely a "guide" and that the term "stopper" is a bit of a misnomer.
I profess no detailed knowledge or expertise when it comes to compound bows, but I do have a good understanding of mechanics and if a part that is designed to stop the travel of something is removed it is generally a bad thing (especially where large amounts of energy are involved)
Anyhow, it' maybe just a breakdown of communication and no offense was meant on my part.
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bimble

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Just to clarify.
I wasn't trying to be a smart 4rse.
The various explanations so far seem to indicate that the bar is merely a "guide" and that the term "stopper" is a bit of a misnomer.
I profess no detailed knowledge or expertise when it comes to compound bows, but I do have a good understanding of mechanics and if a part that is designed to stop the travel of something is removed it is generally a bad thing (especially where large amounts of energy are involved)
Anyhow, it' maybe just a breakdown of communication and no offense was meant on my part.
Del
tee hee, that's ok! I've just gotten so used to the "solution to compound problems is shoot a longbow" I was just surprised it wasn't there! ;)

thankfully it is one of those parts that's only really needed on short brace height bows where it might help stop the string before it hits your arm. You will almost never see them on bows with bracing height above 7" (yes, I know there are examples where that isn't the case - ALMOST never see).

Hoyt brought them in for recurves a few years back, and then quietly dropped them after a couple of seasons when they didn't take off.
 

jerryRTD

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If you don't have a string stopper the string won't stop. the faster the bow the more likely it is that the string will hit the bow hand. The string stopper is part of the system that absorbs the residual energy of the string and working parts of the bow, without it more energy will have to be elsewhere again the faster the bow the more energy.
Some bows like my old constitution are much nicer to shoot with a string stopper than without. Without the string stopper there is a lot of post shot vibration. It would seem that longer A to A bow suffer more because there is more string to come forward and a faster bow suffer more because the string moves faster. you pay your money and you takes your chances.
 

AndyW

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I put a Mathews Dead End on every compound whether or not a stop is fitted as standard. Cheap stops tend to wear and with the string following through to the rod there's the potential for string damage in pretty short order, that's why my Marxman looks nothing like a Marxman. I try to angle / wangle the stop to as close to the nock as possible to give the best chance of a consistent point at which the string and nock part company. Being honest,there's a fair bit of comfort blanket in the thinking and not a lot of proof and yes you can shoot just as well without them. I just bought an Apex 7 which is going to get a limbsaver stop for a change or possibly a bloodsport brush just to see how they feel.
 

KidCurry

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I machined a stop for my Podium. Improved the feel and noise of the bow no end. Couldn't decide if it affected accurracy so probably didn't.
 

Andy!

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I machined a stop for my Podium. Improved the feel and noise of the bow no end. Couldn't decide if it affected accurracy so probably didn't.
The debate has raged for ages, but people have seen both yes and no.
However, the ones reported affecting accuracy weren't in good condition and were typically the capture type like used on some bear compounds.
I've seen my bow (2014 PCE FX ) and a current Prevail FX, both with standard flat string stoppers both in a shooting machine, continuously putting arrows in the same hole at 12m.
That tends to stop me being concerned.

The string hits my wrist if I take it off, so it stays on and is just another thing to inspect every now and then.
 

jerryRTD

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I machined a stop for my Podium. Improved the feel and noise of the bow no end. Couldn't decide if it affected accurracy so probably didn't.
If I am more comfortable with the bow when it is fitted with a string stopper then I will shoot better. The string stopper improves me not the bow.
 
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