To be honest a single arrow shoot off could in theory go either way no matter the bow styles involved, getting close to that X is as much luck as it is skill in that type of shooting, i as fairly new to the sport compound archer, could beat the highest ranked compound archer in the world purely on luck in that situation,but loose horribly in say a 15 arrow Indoor format. So I'm with you on this point.
That was the Colombian lady compound team at the 2013 World Champs in Turkey... it was gusting 40mph winds, which I think we can all agree counts as strong winds. The lady compound semifinal scores (this is the semifinals of the World Champs) were 105-107 and 79-88... out of a possible 150.Today above 8kph they are calling a strong wind. Remember the team that shot with rucksacks on their backs recently to add stability.
ian bayley
Dear Mr. Zombie_Feynman,Correlation does not equal causation. There is nothing special about koreans that makes them less likely to be successful with aluminium arrows. They are not shooting with less draw weight than the average. As bimble said before, the matchplay actually plays against them. If we went back to the days of shooting FITAs over several days they would actually win more medals than now, not less, and you only have to see the results of recent world championships to realize that.
As context, just look at the results of the british target championships in 2014 (which is the last year they shoot a 1440 round) http://www.archerygb.org/tools/documents/btc2014results-[17335].pdf , and compare them with a championship which may be the national championship of Korea (depending on how well google translate works ) https://www.archery.or.kr/archer/ga...o?gmId=AR009&gmYear=2016&gmMth=AR001&initGb=Y . In the UK there was exactly one archer who shot more than 1300, and only in one of his rounds. In Korea there were 113. Now, what makes you think that shooting several 1440 rounds is going to make that difference smaller rather than larger? I'm pretty sure that Korea would be very happy to move to a format with long rounds and no matches.
There is no secret to Korea's dominance. They have professional teams, and no one else does.
They aren't unbeatable. But my undead colleague is correct. Archers who have to balance training against earning enough to eat/sleep will always be at a disadvantage to archers who are paid by Hyundai to professionally represent the company by shooting arrows. Particularly when they maintain a large pool of professional archers.Dear Mr. Zombie_Feynman,
There secret is that 99% of all archers on this forum and elswhere believe that they are unbeatable. And while you all have these thoughts in the back of your heads, they are.
ian bayley
Dear Mr. Mormegil,They aren't unbeatable. But my undead colleague is correct. Archers who have to balance training against earning enough to eat/sleep will always be at a disadvantage to archers who are paid by Hyundai to professionally represent the company by shooting arrows. Particularly when they maintain a large pool of professional archers.
When most countries compete in a World Cup they are picking from maybe 6 or 7 archers (possibly less) to form a team of 3. Look at how deep Korea's bench is. They could have their 1st and 2nd round picks all get food poisoning the day before they fly out and still be able to field a medal winning team.
Anyone who watched the recurve finals from Shanghai will know that they, by which I mean the entire team, can have a bad day, or the fact that the gents took until 2012 to win an individual Olympic gold medal... but to suggest that the reason they usually have four archers in the top 5 after qualifying is due to people "thinking" they're unbeatable, as opposed to the fact they can score very heavily, is nonsense.Dear Mr. Zombie_Feynman,
Their secret is that 99% of all archers on this forum and elswhere believe that they are unbeatable. And while you all have these thoughts in the back of your heads, they are.
ian bayley
Dear Mr. Bimble,Anyone who watched the recurve finals from Shanghai will know that they, by which I mean the entire team, can have a bad day, or the fact that the gents took until 2012 to win an individual Olympic gold medal... but to suggest that the reason they usually have four archers in the top 5 after qualifying is due to people "thinking" they're unbeatable, as opposed to the fact they can score very heavily, is nonsense.
Everyone knows they can be beaten, but unless they're having a bad day you will have to be shooting 28s, 29s and 30s to do it.
I disagree, there are many examples of the S Koreans losing H2H matches.Dear Mr. Zombie_Feynman,
Their secret is that 99% of all archers on this forum and elswhere believe that they are unbeatable. And while you all have these thoughts in the back of your heads, they are.
ian bayley
the only person to have used the word "unbeatable" is you... everyone else has just said they are dominant (which they have been) and that you have to shoot very well to beat them (which is true), and that the H2H format used makes it easier to beat them (again, true).Dear Mr. Bimble,
It is not nonsense. Read some of the comments on this forum. Even if you were shooting 28 29 30's, if you had it ingrained in you by the culture around
you believing that because the Koreans are 'proffessional' and have depth as well, they have an advantage.
ian bayley
And that carbon arrows do not give them any advantage, which was the original point of the thread. Archers and coaches whose job is archery is their advantage.the only person to have used the word "unbeatable" is you... everyone else has just said they are dominant (which they have been) and that you have to shoot very well to beat them (which is true), and that the H2H format used makes it easier to beat them (again, true).
I'd agree with that., specially if they are good at their respective jobs.Archers and coaches whose job is archery is their advantage.