How to gauge expected score for competition?

10point9

New member
Hi all,

I took up compound last year and will be shooting my first outdoor competition in 4 weeks - an Albion. Over the winter I've been working on my technique and improving my equipment (I now have a decent sight and matching arrows!) and am very pleased to have recently brought my handicap down to around 30. Using the Archers Mate handicap tool I estimate that I should be trying for a score of around 880 in the Albion if the day is dry and calm, but how can I estimate what scores I should be getting at each distance? I've been able to get sight marks for the 3 distances but haven't had a chance to shoot a full round in practice yet.

Is there a generic percentage dropoff in scores for each distance - i.e. -5% between 50 and 60, -15% between 60 and 80, or something like that? Results sheets only ever post the total score so I can't see what others have been shooting at each distance...

Failing that, is anyone willing to share their scores or dropoff percentages at these distances?

Many thanks!

Pippa
 

RavingRev

Member
there's an "Average per Distance" spreadsheet under Downloads, Utilities
Its looks like its for recurve rather than compound and uses classifications rather than handicaps
but it might help you.
 

Bald Eagle

New member
Just go and enjoy the shoot with your"new" toy and forget about your scores. I've seen people demoralised in a shoot because they were not shooting to expectations. Get there early, put your line tent up, relaxe, have a drink, hydrate yourself and chill before you do your warm ups. Your scores will come!
 

Vagabond

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At the back of the GNAS Green Book there is a table that translates from handicaps to scores for all the different distances.
For example, for a 30 handicap the expected scores would be as follows:
160 for 2 dozen shot at 100y
179 for 2 dozen shot at 80Y
196 for 2 dozen shot at 60y
204 for 2 dozen shot at 50y
211 for 2 dozen shot at 40y

An Abion being (3doz @ 80y) + (3doz @ 60y) then (3doz @ 50) would give you:
286.5 + 294 + 306 = 886.5, call it 887

This would be a pretty good first guess but, as you suggest, a stiff crosswind can upset things.
Also a person with a (e.g.) 30 handicap at 50y might not be able to reach 80y.

One way to check these tables against real life is to get a set of results for FITA Star rounds. These always list individual scores for all distances. By and large archers tend to score below predictions at the longer distances and above predictions at shorter distances (but not always!). If the handicap tables were perfect, this shouldn't happen. But that's reality for you.
Knowing this might help you to relax if you shoot slightly below 285 at the longer distance.

Clickers Archery sell the green book - I believe this is it (but do check):
Clickers Archery - Archery Equipment Retailer Based In Norwich, UK
 

jimlee

New member
There is a section in the Handicap and Classification tables that tells you the expected score for two dozen arrows for any handicap at any distance, you should exercise caution when using this information as I can't think of a much better way of putting yourself under pressure then knowing the expected score for a distance, you start breaking it down to "I need X score for this end, which is so many Golds, so many Reds etc" as soon as you drop an arrow out of the required zone you put pressure on for the next arrow "I must get this one in the Gold to make up for that Blue".

Cheers, Jim.
 

Murray

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Shoot a dozen at each distance in practice then multiply it up and remove 10% for competition nerves :)
 

10point9

New member
Good advice, Murray! :) I've got up to 3 opportunities to practice the distances (depending on the weather!) and will try to do a couple of dozen at each distance for estimation purposes. I like the -10% for nerves! :)

Will update you all with progress.. :)

Cheers!

Pippa
 

Cj84

New member
Remember on longer rounds you need to consider fatigue as a factor especially at the start of the outdoor season
 

barney41262

New member
Couldnt agree more about "score", forget the score and concentrate on your form and just make as many good shots as you can,if you make enough good shots you will get a good score.
Score is purely a numerical indicator of how well you shot.
As soon as you give yourself a score to acheive you will put yourself under pressure and you will not shoot as well as you are capable of.
Relax and enjoy.
 

10point9

New member
Yes - we shot a double portsmouth last week and it was very hard work towards the end! I managed to maintain a fairly even score rate though, so I was happy with that. Shooting 6 arrows per end is more tiring than 3 per end though, and I know I'll have to work on endurance through the season. For me, part of the fun is setting myself a goal - I know that performance on the day will depend on a number of factors, and I may not reach the goal I've set, but it's no different to a runner or cyclist having a goal time for a particular event... I don't stress about it, but it does help me to focus.
 

geoffretired

Supporter
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but it's no different to a runner or cyclist having a goal time for a particular event
I think perhaps in some instances it could be different. It depends on what the goal time means during the race.
For example, if someone wants to finish in a certain time, and they know how far they had travelled, or still have to go, they can use the time to speed up or ease down and get the time they feel is best for them.
In archery, knowing the score part way through, would seem to have the same sort of value. BUT can archers suddenly decide to shoot better because they are behind at the half way stage?
 

Zak

New member
This is my score for a shoot I did in Feb. Compound - Short Adelaide: 270 @ 50M // 274 @ 40M // 258 @ 30M // 278 @ 20M. It does increase slightly as you get closer. If I shot a 276 at 30M, it would have been an average increase of 2 points per 10 metres from 40 to 20 metres. 4 points from 50 to 40.
 

k3_archery

New member
Hi Pippa,

How if we use real score to get the statistic of dropoff percentage.
This data was extracted from outdoor world championship - Ulsan 2009.
The first part using Top 10 and second part using Bottom 10

Rank Back #NameNOC90M70M50M30MTotal Score
154BWILDE ReoUSA3463433523601401
255BCOUSINS DaveUSA3373483483591392
357BJIMENEZ JorgeESA3323483523581390
438ATITSCHER PaulGER3373453493581389
566ACLIFTON StephenNZL3383463493561389
656BGELLENTHIEN BradenUSA3303483483601386
766CSITAR DejanSLO3333503443591386
865BFEDOSOV VladimirRUS3323483483571385
967ATEASDALE ShaunNZL3333493463571385
1034BCOGHLAN PatrickAUS3323443503571383
Average3353473493581389
% From Total Score
24.1%25.0%25.1%26%100%
% Dropoff3.6%0.5%2.7%
70M->90M
50M->70M
30M->50M
Rank Back #NameNOC90M70M50M30MTotal Score
10256CBELLONI FabrizioSMR3073273333431310
10358CNOBRE Joao POR2993243283561307
10440BCHEUNG Ka LeungHKG3063333163481303
10570ASKVORTSOV DmytroUKR3083323133451298
10653CONG Michael Chong SoonSIN3043193233491295
10746BLI Hsi-Hsin TPE2963023213501269
10840AACHACOSO Karl FrancisPHI2873253163371265
10948CVASARI Robert HUN2643103233491246
11039ACOJUANGCO Enrique Jr.PHI3052923163331246
11139BYIP Man ChunHKG2793133083301230
Average2963183203441277
% From Total Score
23.1%24.9%25.0%26.9%100%
% Dropoff7.5%0.6%7.6%
70M->90M
50M->70M
30M->50M

About the same pattern but different value.
 
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