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    Mongolian bow vs English Longbow

    Hi all,

    I've recently become very interested in the Mongolian bow. I have read that it was faster and more powerful than the English longbow. I have read before how powerful the old longbows were, so has anyone ever tried comparing a Mongolian bow and an English longbow of equal pondages to see ?






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    Quote Originally Posted by Heed View Post
    Hi all,

    I've recently become very interested in the Mongolian bow. I have read that it was faster and more powerful than the English longbow. I have read before how powerful the old longbows were, so has anyone ever tried comparing a Mongolian bow and an English longbow of equal pondages to see ?
    Shot a clout round today. I was shooting a Sammick SKB at 45lb (actually weighs 38lb) I was easily reaching at 180 yards with lots of room for chucking the arrows closer towards 200 yards. I was shooting 2016 Gamegetters with 2 inch fletchings and standard 70ish grain points.

    Next to me a fellow archer was shooting a 70lb Longbow with POC shafts and was falling 15 yards short most of the day.

    My SKB is very fast, powerful, does not stack right up to 32inches.
    I used to own a 50lb Bickerstaff longbow and wouldnt swap my SKB for one now. I love my Sammick!

    All for around 90 delivered you cant go wrong. Set of arrows (Gamegetters) for 25 (shafts) full set up including delivery for under 140. (bowsports)
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    If the two bows have the same draw length and draw weight, the Mongolian (or any Asiatic recurve) should store more energy (and thus shoot further/hit harder assuming identical arrows) as it has a higher initial draw weight due to the recurve and the higher force required to string it to bracing height. E.G at say 10" draw the Asiatic bow may be 35 lb vs the longbow's 8lb even though the final draw weight will be the same.
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    You can see from the graph (2 of my bows) how the Asiatic style starts at a higher draw weight (although in this case it finishes lower than the longbow). The Area under the curve represents the energy stored. If you imagine the graph for the Asiatic bow shifted up so that the final draw weights were the same, you can see there would be much more stored energy, (and the figures I suggested would be about right).

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    Neo Asiatic (and other) recurves and afbs, especially those made with modern materials are always likely to outperform wooden elbs, but don't forget that elbs can be very slow or impressively fast according to design.

    The flight record for a 35lb elb is 260yards; shooting a very light arrow, I admit. It's easy to make a laminated wooden bow of around 40lbs shoot an ordinary arrow such as your gamegetters 180yards. It wouldn't compete on price, though.

    Design is the key, more than draw weight. The 70lb longbow did poorly because it or the arrows or both, were too heavy for the energy that was being stored. Not knocking alternatives to longbows here, but wood is still great engineering stuff.

    Btw, might be fun to shoot a wooden flight arrow through the Samick, see what happens. David

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Shot a clout round today. I was shooting a Sammick SKB at 45lb (actually weighs 38lb) I was easily reaching at 180 yards with lots of room for chucking the arrows closer towards 200 yards.
    Next to me a fellow archer was shooting a 70lb Longbow with POC shafts and was falling 15 yards short most of the day.
    That 70lb Longbow must be poor if it can't make 200yards...
    Were you shooting into a hurricane?
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    Comparing 2 bows at a recent clout shoot....

    1. 45# Samick SLB II AFB
    2. 45# Bickerstaff long bow (don't know exact materials - ask Woodsplitter)

    Arrows, were fairly similar - I think Woddsplitters being slightly shorter possibly. 4" feathers and heavy points.

    Shooting @ 180yards...My flatbow was reaching fairly easily, however, Woodplitters long bow struggled to hit the distance.

    In my favour, my DL is slightly longer then WS, and my AFB containg more modern materials ie. glass fibre.

    I don't know how my 50# Hungarian compares to WS's long bow @ distance.

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