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Thread: Crowded Shooting Line, any solutions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomVis View Post
    AGB membership requirement would make it hard to do beginners courses or have-a-go's.....
    Except the archery gb insurance specifically states that insurance covers people for 6 sessions prior to joining the society. This is where all the myths come from that a beginners course MUST be 6 sessions. No, just NOT MORE than 6 lessons.
    Still a grey area though "before joining the society", so someone who was a member 40 years ago and wants to do a beginners course, are they covered?

    Have-a-go sessions and taster sessions are covered under the code of practise for have a gos , documents downloadable from AGB

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyS View Post
    That's pretty much what I'd assumed, but all the answers I received made is seem more that AGB insure shooting activities at the grounds of AGB clubs where only AGB members are shooting. As a paid up member of AGB you are covered by this insurance, but I'm not sure that the individual is insured. If I as an individual am insured, then surely the cover should be valid if I shoot in compliance with the rules of shooting - but apparently not - see a couple of the other Q&A:



    Likewise on my opinion, no warranty or guarantees , but the above quotes are taken from replies received from AGB in December 2016, so I thought they might be of interest - they certainly weren't what I was expecting when I asked the questions.
    Regarding your quotes, the first one, they've sidestepped the question somewhat. You wouldnt be responsible for what someone else does, unless they wanted to argue that you were implicit in "permitting" them to shoot in an unsafe manner. The club "could" be liable, if there was an accident caused by the archer shooting unsafely and that archer could prove he/she was doing so with the knowledge of the club. Hypothetical situation: archer shooting unsafely kills someone and that persons relatives sue the archer for 5,000,000. The archer might try to move some of the liability to someone else, ie the club, by saying they werent made aware that the distance was unsafe. They might try to move some liability to you by claiming that you didnt tell him/her either, but was it your responsibility to tell him/her?

    The second quote, AGB insurance ONLY covers you to shoot at ranges registered with AGB, so shooting at a non AGB registered range would not comply.

    At the end of the day, an insurance company will always try to avoid saying that you are absolutely definitely covered for something, and any statement to that effect will always be dotted with caveats and clauses as a back door for them to get out if necessary. Ultimately the final decision will be that of the law courts and justice system, which, one would hope, would always act in the realm of what is reasonable, or what a reasonable person would do or be reasonably expected to do.

    Is it your responsibility to say "hey non gender specific archer, you're not allowed to shoot that distance! Its not safe" ? Hell yes, every time. But do you have a responsibility to the unsafe archer? Probably not, responsibility for your own actions

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    I think one of the issues with insurance documents is they do not specify every possible permutation of events. When not clearly specified the law courts step in to make a judgement. It is why hypothetical scenarios are not very useful. Case law is the best place to start as this is where the courts start. The SAP document is relatively clear; horrendously written, but relatively clear.
    I think it is important for committee members and temporary field captains to know what responsibilities they take on when volunteering and I think this is the weakest part of the document and I think a booklet on their legal responsibilities and liabilities would be useful for clubs and new/potential volunteers if one doesn't exist.
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    I think a booklet on their legal responsibilities and liabilities would be useful for clubs and new/potential volunteers if one doesn't exist.
    Great idea!

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