Easton ACC ACG & Carbon Ones - Discontinued

PLEASE HELP TO FUND ARCHERY INTERCHANGE

Stretch

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The Diva + had a low life expectancy for sure but the carbon splinters you describe are no different from a broken X10. If the splinter hits the grass you wont find it period.

I was shooting Diva S 22 by early summer 1990 (cos 2213 were way too much like hard work) so the Diva + was definitely around in the late 80s. And presumably there was a Diva before that - can’t remember ever seeing those. Diva + was certainly in use at the 88 games.

I do also remember there being issues with Bemans where the owner had used a high temperature hot melt to glue the points in - that of course led to the shaft failing at the point on impact with the target. But if we had to legislate for idiot behaviour nobody would be shooting anything.

Don‘t get me wrong, I kind of understand that clubs are mitigating risk. If it is about effort required in finding lost/broken arrows it does make some sense. If it is about tiny (or not so tiny) bits of carbon in the grass it makes no sense.

When I have had to hunt for arrows the ones that have caused the most issues have been light arrows shot from a high draw weight compound. The trajectory is so flat that a small miss high means a long distance. And also it was going so fast nobody saw it. It also means the arrow goes in very flat and very deep - so you can’t rake for it. So in my experience regulating arrow speed for all carbon would make more sense.

I‘ll shut up now.

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Steve1968

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I personally prefer A/C arrows and would not consider all carbon myself, don't know why though, they just never appealed to me and still don't.
However, I do believe it's personal choice and that clubs should allow them to be used. Years ago when I was last shooting regularly, if you missed the target, you would spend about 5 mins looking for it after the end and if not found, would look for it after the shooting session was over and everyone in the club would help, even if it meant taking a few hours to find the arrow/s, nobody left until the arrow/s were found.

With regards to arrow speed and flatter trajectory from compound bows, perhaps they should be more regulated, perhaps limiting the poundage even more. I believe compounds are limited to 60lbs,( think I read that somewhere) perhaps this should be limited to 40-45lbs. This should reduce the arrow speed and the distance the arrow will travel if the target is missed. Personally I don't see the need for 60lbs draw weight, especially when a 36lbs recurve can reach 90m.
 

Stretch

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The 60# limit comes from WA and I sorely doubt it is going anywhere anytime soon. All I am pointing out is that (again in my opinion) all carbon arrows in some instances have less risk than AC arrows in other instances. All risks are not made equal.

I’ve shot ACE or X10 since 1991 (when Beman stopped making the 5.5mm Diva S). To be honest I preferred the Diva for the first year or two. It took me another 6 years to get a six gold end at 90m. The only arrow I ever lost was aan ACE and was a pass through on a field course which we never did find.

The challenge is that the cost of entry level AC arrows is now very high (unless a Korean or Chinese brand steps up). So that puts “club” archers shooting aluminium if all carbon is not allowed. I think that cost barrier could impact development of competitive archers.

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Shirt

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Perhaps AGB and clubs will have to reconsider their stance on all carbon arrows, now that Easton have decided to discontinue the ACC and ACG arrows. At the moment it looks like the other manufacturers aren't interested in plugging the gap left by Easton.
I don't exactly see that.
Currently most archery shops are doing ACCs at around £10 a go - so £240 a dozen.
The Easton Procomp, despite being marketed as a 'compound arrow' is just a plain parallel shaft with an aluminium core tube. And while the shops haven't necessarily got them in yet, for 2021 Easton will be making them in spines between 1150 and 250, so there's something to fit everyone.
And shops seem to want ~£200-£220 a dozen for them.

There was an episode of the Easton Target Archery podcast back just before Xmas that covered all this if anyone wants it from the horse's mouth.
 

KidCurry

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I don't exactly see that.
Currently most archery shops are doing ACCs at around £10 a go - so £240 a dozen.
£10 x 12 = £120 about £80 - £100 cheaper than Pro Comp :)
To be honest I think the Pro Comp is probably a slightly lighter rehash of the ACG with a 'Pro' label price increase, and, of course, only available in sets of 12 :( Although I am itching to try a set of Pro Comp for my barebow. I think they will be less twitchy for tuning than ACE.
Given the choice I would shoot Carbon One or Victory shafts.
 
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KidCurry

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With regards to arrow speed and flatter trajectory from compound bows, perhaps they should be more regulated, perhaps limiting the poundage even more. I believe compounds are limited to 60lbs,( think I read that somewhere) perhaps this should be limited to 40-45lbs. This should reduce the arrow speed and the distance the arrow will travel if the target is missed. Personally I don't see the need for 60lbs draw weight, especially when a 36lbs recurve can reach 90m.
A 45lb compound is still a very fast bow. The problem here is not the bow, arrow, speed etc it's the disparity between perceived risk in the UK compared with the rest of the world. Limiting bow weight would take the UK off any WA outdoor podium and I doubt the rest of the world will adapt to a UK problem. Although I assume it's a UK problem, I don't actually know if our European friends have similar carbon restrictions.
 

Shirt

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£10 x 12 = £120 about £80 - £100 cheaper than Pro Comp :)
To be honest I think the Pro Comp is probably a slightly lighter rehash of the ACG with a 'Pro' label price increase, and, of course, only available in sets of 12 :( Although I am itching to try a set of Pro Comp for my barebow. I think they will be less twitchy for tuning than ACE.
Given the choice I would shoot Carbon One or Victory shafts.
Christ, my maths really does go sideways first thing in the morning! :D
 
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