Serving Materials Too Slick on Tab

dvd8n

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A bit of materials advice needed.

I've used Angel Majesty centre serving for a while now. I have noticed, however, that occasionally my fingers/tab slide up the string and into the bottom of the nock. I've had it suggested that Angel is too slick and a quick search on the web has revealed one or two others complaining about the same thing. Not a huge number, but it doesn't seem to be an unknown phenomenon.

An alternative that was recommended was BCY Powergrip. However, another search revealed people saying that it was made of the same materials, with similar characteristics, and with some speculating that it even comes out of the same factory.

Does anyone have experience of the two products, or alternatively have any other advice?

Cheers, David
 


Timid Toad

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It's a tricky thing, isn't it? Wanting a super-slick loose but needing a reliable hook. I take it you're a 3 fingers under shooter? If so, have you had a quick form check? I'm thinking uneven pressure on your fingers might be contributing to the problem.
 


Timid Toad

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By the way, I'm an Angel Majesty centre serving shooter and have loved it since day one. But I use split finger, so can't comment on sliding into the nock, if it's what you are experiencing as a result of being a three-under shooter.
 


dvd8n

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No, standard Mediterranean split finger. Most of the time I'm fine, but once in a blue moon my hook slides up and I'm lifting the arrow nock.
 


dvd8n

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I'm putting it down to the serving being just too slick. It does give a great release, but if that's at the expense of an unreliable hook, then I'm thinking that maybe it's not worth it...
 


Timid Toad

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Hmm, well, I haven't seen you shoot, but, for example, a high elbow would encourage your hand to move up the string - you're effectively pulling the bow out of it's tiller.
 


dvd8n

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Hmmmm. There could be a connection. Maybe I'm overdoing lifting my elbow.

Of course it's a bit hard to get someone to check my form at the club at the moment 🤒

I'll hold off buying serving material and reserving my strings. Shame as I've plenty of time to do it at the moment :rolleyes:
 


geoffretired

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If you look at a draw force line on a bow it is always slightly uphill, as the bow hand is lower than the string hand. So, in theory there is a tendency for the fingers to slide up the string. As the string is drawn, the angle at the draw fingers creates a strong force; pushing the fingers towards each other. If the top finger does more work, it actually bends the shaft as it presses down on the nock; the arrow is pressed hard onto the arrow rest.
If the second finger does more work, it lifts the arrow off the rest.
D-loops on compounds tend to work in the same way, the two knots on the string tend to slide towards each other and the bottom one tends to move upwards more than the top one moves down.
I fit my d loop a little wide so it closes to a good fit. I guess fingers need to be set on the string , further apart at the start so that as they close they don't get too close to the nock.
 


KidCurry

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The biggest issue I had with slipping tab was because I set my hook but never drew the string enough to put the necessary pressure on the serving prior lifting the bow to the draw. The problem was worse with halo but now shoot Angel and I never get any slip even when string walking a couple of inches.
 


Stretch

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I only ever had this on original Angel Dyneema ASB serving. I even roughed up my cordovan face a little to stop the problem. I’ve never personally had it with Majesty but if I did I’d be looking at the hook on my 2nd finger - per KidCurry’s comment, make sure there is enough weight on the finger in the set position.

Stretch
 


chuffalump

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I bought a reel of Diamondback at the start of my recurve career. Never finished it so it's all I've ever used. Didn't even know it was possible to get slippage. I tried once. Levering the riser back and forth at part draw but it took a lot of force to get any movement at all.
 


dvd8n

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I bought a reel of Diamondback at the start of my recurve career. Never finished it so it's all I've ever used. Didn't even know it was possible to get slippage. I tried once. Levering the riser back and forth at part draw but it took a lot of force to get any movement at all.
I think it maybe has a lot to do with the material. I was amazed at how much slicker the Angel was than the Brownell that I had used previously. I'm thinking that the old Brownell was covering up some form issues. Or, alternatively, that the Angel is making form more critical :unsure:
 


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